Team Never Quit Ammo Review – Part 2

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You can read Part 1 of this review here.

If you aren’t familiar with Team Never Quit by Lone Survivor Marcus Luttrell it’s more than just an ammo brand – it’s a movement. A community of people who stand united in the fight to honor, support and restore our veterans and to help them overcome the struggles they face when they come home.  TNQ products are also Made in the USA.

Recap

We shot several calibers through several guns.  We tried several different mediums and tried to test the claims made by the manufacture: frangible, reduced ricochet, reduced recoil, etc. By no means was this a scientific ballistics test, you can find that information here.

Frangible Results

In our opinion each type of ammunition performed as the manufacturer claimed it would.  Frangible behaved like FMJ ammo when it impacted surfaces softer than the bullet (wood, etc.).  When it impacted a surface harder (steel, concrete), the projectile virtually turned to dust. In a hardened environment (e.g. schools, hospitals, etc.) this frangible ammo would be ideal for minimizing causalities from ricochets, often seen with FMJ ammo. It is worth noting, that in the FBI ballistics testing of this type of ammo, it does not perform well against automobile glass because of it’s hardened state.  This is a factor common to all frangible ammo.

Over the course of the day, one phrase was heard repeatedly – “Wow, that’s impressive!”

The frangible training ammo presents new opportunities for CQB training.  We often train at distances farther than would happen in real-life to avoid the likely injure from metal fragmentation. As you can see by our test results in part 1 and the video, you can safely shoot frangible training ammunition within a few inches of hardened surfaces.  This allows for much more realistic training scenarios without risk of injury.

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Conclusion

After shooting this ammo, speaking with company reps and learning more about their mission, I have become a believer.  Not only are their products top quality and made in America, the people behind the movement are among our nations finest. In addition to switching my self-defense carry ammo to Team Never Quit, I have proudly become part of their Pro-Staff team.

If you have more questions about my testing or the ammo, post them below or email me.

Team Never Quit Ammo Review – Part 1

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As a firearms instructor, I am often asked for advice regarding Ammunition for practice and personal protection.  It’s a topic I take seriously because the consequences can be severe.  I also take seriously the responsibility to endorse or recommend a product to students.  They trust me making significant choices that affect their safety.

In the interest of full disclosure, for the last few years I have carried Barnes TAC-XTP in my personal defense guns.  I have also had the privilege to know the family that made Barnes the company what it is – Randy and Coni Brooks. Not only does Barnes produce a great product but the Brooks family are some of the best people I know. That being said, I have continued to explore and test other brands.

Last week, I received a few boxes of ammunition from Team Never Quit (TNQ) to test and review.  They sent me two boxes each of TNQ 380 Auto Frangible Training Ammunition and TNQ 9mm Frangible Hollow Point Ammunition. I purchased additional boxes of TNQ 9mm SCHP, .223 Training Ammunition and TNQ 7.62×51 (.308 Win) Match Ammunition.

If you aren’t familiar with Team Never Quit by Lone Survivor Marcus Luttrell it’s more than just an ammo brand – it’s a movement. A community of people who stand united in the fight to honor, support and restore our veterans and to help them overcome the struggles they face when they come home. In addition to a fantastic purpose, TNQ products are Made in the USA.  These reasons alone are enough to pique my interest in a new product.

Team Never Quit AmmoNow, ammo in hand, I headed to the range with the help of my husband, Carol Morrell – Lead Instructor for The Women’s Shooting Academy and Ken Morrell – Retired Law Enforcement officer. Combined, I would estimate we have around 100 years of shooting experience.

I am in no way qualified to conduct ballistics test or “official testing” but I did want to see the rounds in action.

On the range I wanted to explore two different aspects: cartridge performance and bullet performance so we set up a few different target stations.  Testing a range of target hardness a soft, medium and hard, we were looking particularly to see the different behaviors of the frangible ammo against various surfaces. As I understand it, the bullet is designed to act similarly to ball ammo unless is strikes a surface harder than itself. For instance, it should pass through the soft and medium stages but virtually disintegrate when impacting steel. So let’s see how each round performed.


.380 Auto, 75 gr Frangible Training Ammo (Product Data Sheet)

Sig P238

Sig P238 with TNQ .380 Frangible Training Ammo

Guns Used: Sig P238 & LCP .380
Distance: 5 Yards
Station 1 (Soft): Cardboard, Particle Board and USMC Target
Station 2 (Medium): Wooden 2×4
Station 3 (Hard): Steel Silhouette
Findings:

  • All fed and fired correctly and performed as expected.
  • Action was clean and good casing ejection.
  • No splash-back off steel

We also tested recoil levels by alternating Barnes TAC-XTP with TNQ in the magazine.  We tried this with both guns as the LCP is a much lighter gun that the P238 so recoil is more noticeable – both shooters thought Barnes has a slightly lighter recoil and it appeared to be lighter by visual observation.


 9mm, 100 gr Frangible Hollow Point Ammo (Product Data Sheet)

Springfield XDM

Springfield XDM Competition with TNQ 9mm Frangible HP

Guns Used: M&P Pro, Springfield XDM competition, Springfield XDs
Distance: Starting at 5 yards and walking up to 12 inches
Station 1 (Soft): Cardboard, Particle Board and USMC Target
Station 2 (Medium): Wooden 2×4
Station 3 (Hard): Steel silhouette inside a cardboard box to capture  bullet fragmentation pattern and residue
Findings:

    • No splash-back at all, bullet spray pattern visible in box sides, residue in box (see pics below)
    • Comparison Ammo:

– Fired same with (non-TNQ) +P+P – huge chunks of lead and copper, large hole torn in box
– Standard (non-TNQ) ball ammo at steel from 15 yards and was hit with shrapnel

Spawl Pattern

Spawl pattern from bullet framentation

Largest Spawl

Largest fragment we could find – much smaller than a bullet

Spawl Dust

Fragmentation dust left in the box.

Steel in Box

Impact in the center of steel with perforations from bullet fragments.


223, 45gr Frangible Training Ammo (Product Data Sheet)

Guns Used: Two custom-built .223 carbine rifles
Distance: 21 Yards
Station 1 (Hard): Shot cinder-block set at a 45 degree angle to the cardboard
Station 2 (Medium): Shot at steel plate at angle to create ricochet into cardboard target behind
Station 3 (Medium): Pallet stood on end – shoot through both oak 4×6 boards

Findings:

Station 1:

1st Round – TNQ ammo blew a large hole in the first wall of the block but not the second wall – bullet fragmented and did not ricochet

2nd Round – TNQ ammo blew a large hole in the first wall of the block but not the second and the end panel of block was broken off from the energy- bullet fragmented and did not ricochet

3rd Round – Soft-tip .223 (non-TNQ) bullet – caused block damage and ricocheted through the cardboard target

Station 2:

1st Round – TNQ hit plate and disintegrated (see photo)

2nd Round – Soft-tip .223 (non-TNQ) bullet – ricocheted, went through carboard target and support stick then continued downrange (see photo)

Station 3:

1st Round – TNQ surprisingly went through both 4×6 oak beams, including a knot.  I suspect the higher velocity from a lighter bullet was a factor. (see photo)
2nd Round – Soft-tip .223 (non-TNQ) bullet went through 1st 4×6 and into 2nd but did not exit (see photo)

TNQ .223 Frangible Training Ammo

TNQ .223 Frangible Training Ammo

TNQ .223 Frangible Training Ammo

TNQ .223 Frangible Training Ammo

Ricochet Setup

.223 Ricochet Setup

223 Frangible Round

Station 1 – Entry hole through first wall but didn’t exit through second wall.

223 Frangible End Cap

Station 1 – End cap of block was broken by impact of the round two inches to the right of the end.

Frangible 223 Ricochet Test

Stage 2 – Ricochet Test – Round disintegrated and did not continue down range.

Soft-Tip (Non-TNQ) Ricochet

Stage 3 -Soft-Tip (Non-TNQ) Ricochet hole

Oak Pallet

Stage 3 – First of two Oak 4×6 boards on pallet


7.62×51 (.308 Win) 175gr Match Ammunition (Product Data Sheet)

Guns Used: Howa .308 Hunting Rifle
Distance: 53 Yard (Longer not available)
Station 1 (Soft): Cardboard Zeroing Target

Note: Unfortunately this rifle was not zeroed correctly for this distance and we did not have enough ammunition to zero and test accuracy.  As a result I cannot speak to the accuracy and grouping at distance.  You can read the product data sheet here. I can say that every round fired as expected and we didn’t experience any malfunctions.

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9mm Luger, 115gr SCHP (Solid Copper Hollow Point) Ammo (Product Data Sheet)

I do not have the proper equipment to do full ballistics testing for this round but you can read the product data sheet here. I was more interested to see how the round performed in my Springfield XDs. I have had issues with some self-defense rounds in this gun because of the tight tolerances it has. I did not experience any problems with this TNQ round. Everything ramped, fired and ejected flawlessly.

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Part 2 – My Conclusions

Axelson Tactical – Gun Cleaning Kit Review – Pt 2

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Axelson Tactical recently provided me a number of their new products to test and review. I did a full cleaning using their kit and products. You can read part 1 of the review for my initial impressions.  This review will focus on the Seal 1 performance and second cleaning with the Field Weapon Maintenance Kit.

After the initial cleaning described in part 1, I took my guns to the range and gave them quite a beating. I attended a Military Combat Handgun Class hosted in the Nevada desert. It was a hot, dry day, filled with wind and tons of gritty sand. My magazines and guns landed in piles of sand, over and over throughout the day.  Two guns, six magazines and nearly 500 rounds in one afternoon – it was a busy day.

Time to Clean

I was dreading the extensive cleaning process that would ensue. These pictures speak for themselves.  What a mess!

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Seal 1 Performance

As you can see, there was sand and grit in every part of the gun.  The good news is, I never had a single malfunction related to the grit.  Seal 1 performed like a champ.  Lubrication was never an issue during the class.

Cleaning

Looking at the mess you can see there was a ton of cleaning to be done.  I used the Axelson Field Weapon Cleaning Kit and Seal 1, only this time I used the Seal 1 aerosol as well. I needed a little extra oil penetration and aerosol pressure to clean grit out of the internals. One thing that would have been helpful is a straw to direct the aerosol (think WD-40 red straw).  Without it things got a bit messy with over-spray. Looking at the nozzle, you couldn’t even use a borrowed straw from another product.

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The nylon brush in the kit was very helpful in accessing those hard to reach places and as you can see, everything cleaned up nicely.

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Conclusion

Overall, it was a standard (if not totally tedious) cleaning.  All the carbon wiped off easily and there was no gunky build-up from Seal 1 CLP.

I remain a fan of both products and they have become a regular member of my range kit.  I am also a fan of Axelson Tactical’s customer service.  After reading part 1 of my review, they responded and said they took my suggestions under advisement and are looking into ways to improve.

Axelson Tactical – Gun Cleaning Kit Review – Pt 1

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Axelson Tactical recently provided me a number of their new products to test and review. They provided me two gun cleaning kits featuring Seal 1 CLP products. I have never used Seal 1 and until recently hadn’t even heard of them. But I did have plenty of dirty guns to test it on.

Seal 1 CLP is a is a non-toxic bio-based cleaner, lubricant, protectant product:

  • USDA BioPreferred
  • SDA Certified Bio-Based
  • ASTM-D6866 Bio-Based Tested and Certified
  • Non-Toxic Biodegradable
  • Provides excellent rust and corrosion protection
  • Substantially reduces friction
  • Increases muzzle velocity 3-8%
  • Reduces / eliminates weapon malfunctions-jams, miss-feeds, etc.

In this review, I will cover the unboxing and use of both kits and my initial impressions during cleaning. In the next review I will cover the products performance in the field.

Kit 1: Seal 1 – Complete Gun Care Kit

For more information or to purchase this kit: Visit Axelson Tactical Store

Contents

This kit includes:
1 – 4oz. container of multi-purpose CLP Plus® Gun Care Paste
1 – 4oz. container of multi-purpose CLP Plus™ Gun Care Liquid
1 – Package of SEAL 1™ CLP PLUS® Pre-Saturated EZ-Cloth™ (4 – 6 inch square cleaning cloth Pre-saturated with SEAL 1™ CLP PLUS® paste.)
1 – 12″x12″ square micro fiber cloth
1- Nylon bristle brush
2- Cotton swabs
2- Small pouches of multi-purpose CLP Plus™ Gun Care Liquid

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Kit 2: Axelson Tactical – Field Weapon Maintenance Kit

Contents

This kit includes:
5 – Reusable Foam Bore-tips (.357/9mm, .45, .22/5.56mm, .40/10mm, .30/7.62mm)
3 – Gun tips – Cleaning foam swabs with precision tips
1 – Bore cable
1  – Double-Ended Cleaning Brush (nylon)
1 – Seal 1 CLP Liquid Pen
1 – 1 oz. Seal 1 CLP Paste
1 – Package of SEAL 1™ CLP PLUS® Pre-Saturated EZ-Cloth™ (4 – 6 inch square cleaning cloth Pre-saturated with SEAL 1™ CLP PLUS® paste.)
1 – Lint-free Cleaning Cloth

Feature: This kit has very unique packaging.  It’s tubular shaped and actually unscrews the length of the tube.  This allows the package actually expand if you wanted to add extra items but allows it to be very compact and perfect for a range bag.

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Initial Impressions

All the products seem to be good quality and made in the USA  – which is a huge plus in my book. Seal 1 CLP is also non-toxic and bio-degradable which may be why it smells so good.  It has a slightly sweet minty smell and doesn’t have the off-putting chemical smell of some other cleaners.

Personal note: There are other non-toxic and bio-degradable gun cleaning products on the market.  There is definitely an appeal for this type of product.  For a mom like me, who cleans her guns on the dining room table (don’t judge me) a non-toxic product is definitely preferred. There are other non-toxic  products but they have failed in certain performance tests according to anecdotal evidence. In all honesty, I have never used them. When I researched it, user feedback said it didn’t perform well in cold climates.  Well, where I live at 6,500 ft. altitude we can have brutally cold winters and I shoot year-round.  Cold weather performance is a must for me.

Cleaning

I ran about 300 rounds through my Springfield XD(m) last weekend so it was due for a cleaning.  As you can see in the pics below, there was definitely carbon buildup and lots of residue to clean. I also cleaned my Howa .308 rifle with these kits, but I did not include it in this review in the interest of brevity. If the Seal 1 CLP performance varies in this rifle, I will note it in the Field Testing review.

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Feature: When I opened the bottle of liquid I discovered it has a red plug inside the bottle. This is actually a really nice feature.  If you decide to throw this bottle in your range bag, the plug will ensure you wont have to worry about the cap opening and spilling. Nice!

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I used the Liquid Seal 1 on all the Slide and Frame internals in conjunction with the nylon brush.  I applied the Seal 1 Paste to the Barrel using the foam bore tips and Spring. I wiped down the outside of the frame, trigger, magazine well, etc. with a patch of SEAL Skinz™ EZ Cloth™.

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I let everything sit for about 10 minutes while I was pulled away to help the kids with homework which seems irrelevant but is actually a big deal. Since the Seal 1 products are non-toxic and not “chemical” smelling, my kids were nearby while I was cleaning. And when they needed assistance, I just wiped my hands with a paper towel.  I wasn’t worried about contamination or residue. I also didn’t have to worry about oils soaking through my mat onto the table. I like that!

Results

I returned and began wiping everything down.  Immediately I noticed that the Seal 1 paste I had used had virtually liquefied. Not to a dripping state but definitely not a “paste”.  It had also dissolved all the carbon reside on my Barrel and Spring.  There was very little I had to do other than wipe it off!

The slide and frame internals just needed a few passes with the nylon brush to get in the nooks. Then I wiped everything down with the red cloth that was included, ran a clean patch through the bore, swabbed out the frame and “Presto!” my gun was clean.  See for yourself:

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I used the Seal 1 liquid pen to add a bit more lubrication to the contact point on the slide and frame afterward.  I like how precise you can be with this pen! Puts it only where you want it.

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Impressions

Overall, I was very pleased.  I have always used a liquid or spray cleaner which can be quite messy.  I was very pleased to not have a mess to clean afterward.  You can see how little residue is left on my mat afterward. Seal 1 does make a spray application as well but I did not test it during this round.

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Pros:

  • Smells good
  • Great compact design for range bags
  • Good value and variety for a kit this size (applies to both kits)
  • Bio-degradeable & Non-Toxic
  • Made in USA
  • Good Quality
  • Bore cable vs cleaning rob (personal preference)
  • Foam bore tips in various calibers.  I prefer these to copper brushes.
  • Innovative – Seal 1 Liquid Pen is a winner!

Cons:

I had to get three items out of my standard cleaning kit:

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  1. Cleaning Eyelet for Patches
  2. T-Bar for Bore Cable
  3. Clean cloth patches

None of these items were deal-breakers for me. They are very easy to purchase separately and add to the kit but it would be great if they were included. Hint, hint.

Conclusion:

I was really impressed with both of these kits.  There was a lot of thought put into the products and the packaging on the Axelson Tactical kit is a winner!  I was quite impressed with Seal 1 as a cleaner and I appreciate that it comes in many forms and sizes.

I will be testing this gun on the range this weekend and will write part two of this review regarding the performance Seal 1 in the field. Stay tuned! Read Pt. 2